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Mike. In a recent post, you said you’ve been to Tennessee and Georgia, giving speeches and filming for your new show. Before that, you were on the road shooting for Dirty Jobs. Is it really so important to film a television show in the midst of pandemic? Is it responsible of you to encourage this kind of behavior when infection rates are spiking? Don’t you watch the news? More and more cases every day – aren’t you concerned?

Darlene Gabon

Hi Darlene

Of course, I’m concerned. I’m just not petrified.

On March 15th, the day after my part of the country was locked down, I posted a link to an interview with Dr. Michael Osterholm. I’m posting it again, because I believe you and everyone else in the country would benefit from listening carefully to what he has to say. https://bit.ly/2WLOM6o

Dr. Osterholm is the Director of Infectious Disease Research and Policy. This is the same epidemiologist who ten years ago, predicted a coronavirus would come from China and turn our country upside down. In his book “Deadliest Enemies,” he anticipated the utterly irresponsible way in which the media would report on the situation, the completely opportunistic and shamelessly political way our leaders would likely react, and the unprecedented chaos and confusion that would arise from all the mixed messages from the medical community. His resume is unexampled, https://bit.ly/3jvzQTW, and his analysis of the situation is the most logical and persuasive of any I’d heard so far. He’s also the only expert I know of who hasn’t walked back his numbers, reconsidered his position, or moved the goalposts with regard to what we must do, what we can do, and what he expects to happen next. I say all of this because Dr. Osterholm publicly predicted - in early MArch - that we could conservatively see over 100 million COVID cases in this country, with a very strong possibility of 480,000 fatalities – even if we successfully “flattened the curve.”

It took me a few weeks to accept this scenario, because 480,000 fatalities is a frightening number, and lot of other experts were saying lots of conflicting things. But eventually, I came to the conclusion that Dr. Osterholm was probably correct, and quickly navigated the four stages of grief that usually precede acceptance – denial, anger, bargaining, and depression. By late April, I had come to accept Dr. Osterholm’s predictions as a matter of fact. Since then, I’ve had three full months to come to terms with the fact that, a) I am probably going to get COVID-19 at some point, b), I am almost certainly going to survive it, and c), I might very well give it to someone else.

I hope that doesn’t sound blasé, or glib, or fatalistic, or selfish. Four-hundred eighty thousand deaths is an obvious tragedy, and I’m deeply sympathetic to all who have been impacted thus far. I’m also very concerned for my parents, and everyone else in a high risk category. But when Dr. Osterholm says that COVID can be slowed but not stopped, I believe him. When he says a vaccine will not necessarily hasten herd immunity, I believe him. And when he says that people have confused “flattening the curve” with "eliminating the virus," I believe him.

Thus, for the last three months, I’ve been operating from the assumption that this is a year-round virus that’s eventually going to infect 100 million people and kill roughly 1/2 of one percent of those infected, conservatively. I’ve accepted those numbers. Unfortunately, millions of others have not. Many people have no sense of where this is headed, and I understand why. They've been betrayed by a hysterical media that insists on covering each new reported case as if it were the first case. Every headline today drips with dread, as the next doomed hotspot approaches the next "grim milestone." And so, for a lot of people, everyday is Groundhogs Day. They're paralyzed by the rising numbers because the numbers have no context. They don't know where it will end. But Dr. Osterholm says he does, and I'm persuaded that he's correct. He might be wrong, and frankly, I hope he is, but either way, he's presented us with a set of projections based on a logical analysis, and accepting those projections has allowed me to move past denial, anger, bargaining, and depression, and get on with my life with a better understanding of what the risks really are.

Fact is, we the people can accept almost anything if we’re given the facts, and enough time to get evaluate the risk and make our own decisions. Last year in this country, there were six million traffic accidents and 36,000 fatalities. Tragic, for sure. But imagine for a moment if no one had ever died from a car accident. Imagine if this year, America endured six million traffic accidents and 36,000 fatalities...for the first time ever. Now, imagine if these accidents and fatalities - over 16,000 and 90 per day respectively - imagine if they were reported upon like every new incidence of COVID. What would that do to our willingness to drive? For a while, I suspect it would keep us all off the roads, right? I mean, six million accidents out of the blue is a lot to process, and 36,000 deaths is scary – especially if you don’t know how high that number could get. It would take us a while to access the risk, before we blindly hopped into our cars again. Eventually though - after getting some context and perspective - we'd be able to evaluate the relative danger of operating a motor vehicle. Then, we could decide for ourselves when to drive, where to drive, and how much to drive. And so we do.

Again, don’t misunderstand. I’m not ignoring COVID, or downplaying COVID, or pretending the risks at hand aren’t real. Nor am I comparing COVID cases to car accidents - I'm simply comparing the fear of each to the other, and the fear that always accompanies uncertainty. I don’t want to get this disease or give it to someone else, any more than I want to be in a car car wreck that injures someone else. But I've accepted certain things about the pandemic, and now, I've gotten used to the risk as I understand it. I take precautions. I get tested as often as I can, and if I can't physically distance, I wear a mask – especially around higher risk people. Likewise, I wear a seatbelt, obey the speed limits, and check my mirrors before changing lanes. Yes - I’m aware that we’d all be a lot safer if we kept our cars in the garage. I’m also aware we’d be a lot safer if we all kept ourselves in the house. But that’s not why cars, or people, exist.

Anyway Darlene, that’s a long way of saying that I have accepted Dr. Osterholm’s numbers, and now, after three months of acceptance, I’ve made a decision on how I wish to live my life. Sooner or later, you will too. We all will.

Mike

PS. My foundation is selling masks to raise money for our next work-ethic scholarship program. They're going fast...

https://www.bfit540.com/products/mike-rowe-works-face-mask

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Brandon Micheal Boone
The problem is there are too many different “facts” going around. I’ve always loved mike Rowe. And I disagree with him to a degree. But—I won’t cancel him from my life. I think Mike is a funny, eloquent and outspoken individual. I value his opinions—even when they are different than mine.
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Clinton Holder
That was the coherent analysis I've seen. Period. I'm 71 and take all the precautions I consider reasonable (masks, distancing, carry/use sanitizer). BUT I will not put my head in the sand. I've gone to restaurants I've found safe. I visit with my daughter. There is this thing we refer to as "quality of life". Often seen as the point at which some momentous decision must be made in ones life style. So, still being reasonably careful for both myself and others, I will live my life unafraid. I hope and pray you all can do so too. Oh, my mask is washed frequently. 🙂
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Keith Jackson
I have always liked you. As a skilled brick mason I say thank you sir for bringing light to the trades that keep this country strong. And thank you for this post of reason. When this started I told my family we will all probably get it and probably all be fine and if not it's in Gods hands. There's no way to stop the spread it's just that simple. Thank you for all you do.
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Kim Darre
Thank you for such a poignant post. I thought your point of view made total sense and I appreciate you sharing the facts and the info about this doctor! I will be sharing with people I know.
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Cori Robertson
Mike Rowe!! Get out here and marry me like you promised!! I can't wait forever!!😉💚💜💙
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Andrew Johnson
I disagree with a lot of this. But i wish all of our disagreements were done with this respect and aplomb. Thank you. I respect your words and promise to keep listening
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Kristen Lintner
The thing is sir, accepting things the way you have done is what is causing things to happen the way your Doctor friend has predicted. If you compare national reactions to this virus, you can plainly see that public health outcomes have varied widely and so have economic outcomes. Carrying on In life as though 480k fatalities will happen means necessarily that this 480k fatalities are coming. Other countries who actually all engaged in a short term shut down for a shorter period of time, but they did it all together with high compliance, those countries have very few cases in comparison to ours and they are reopening economically more widely than we are now. If we had done the same, we would be where they are instead of seeing the disease spread now in areas outside the northeast. Early acceptance that it will just come led to behaviors that guaranteed spread. If the US could have just practiced basic health practices such as mask wearing without politicizing it, we would be better off and able to minimize spread and deaths. So thank you for wearing your mask, but please don’t think that your acceptance of numbers somehow is you just accepting reality. It is also creating reality because our actions have consequences. We didn’t have to be here now.
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Mike Rowe
The thing is, madam, you're mistaken on several fronts, according to Osterholm, who incidentally, is not my "Dr. Friend" but rather, the leading epidemiologist in the country. Doesn't mean he can't be wrong, but he's been consistent throughout, and what he's said is that COVID will be with us for years. Until we develop an immunity - herd or vaccine - we can only hope to slow the spread to keep the hospitals from being overwhelmed. I find his arguments to be persuasive. So, I'm not venturing out to areas where the hospitals are overrun. I'm keeping my distance. I'm following protocols. And I'm living my life as best I can, given what I know. I suspect you're doing the same.

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Sandra Johnson
This all may be true, but if or when it strikes one of your family you may take a more miopic perspective.
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Mike Rowe
Obviously. Who wouldn't? But since we don't have a crystal ball, we have to proceed as best we can, with the facts we have. What other choice is there?

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Brad Allen
Mike Rowe In other news, Barsky chasing a chicken around a barn yard was he-larious. Oh and you persuaded me just now to purchase two of your masks. I'll be styling with your mug over my mouth walking down the street. Keep up the great work.
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Amy Kivi
Very nice, and perfectly said. when reading that in your head, did you hear Mike's voice also or was it just me?
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Mike Rowe
I for one, did.
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William Guest
I appreciate your bravery in stating what people don't want to hear at the moment and your eloquents in the way you say it. I work in the medical field, thankfully in home health and not dealing with covid, and have tried to express what you have said to coworkers and friends but could never get my point across as well as you have. Thank you for sharing the link.
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Brian Keith Browder
Mike Rowe Just when I thought the 'let 'er rip' strategy US, Brazil and Sweden tried unsuccessfully had run its course and perhaps America was finally ready do the right thing, after exhausting all other possibilities, as Churchill once said, and heed the scientists, you use your considerable megaphone to advise staying the course? One only has to look at more successful outcomes in other countries to know that the deaths you want us to 'power through' could have been prevented had we followed the scientists lead to begin with. I guess when you glorify dirty jobs without ever mentioning the dirt cheap pay that accompanies them I shouldnt be too surprised.
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Mike Rowe
Brian - You don't disagree with me - you disagree with the leading epidemiologist in the country. It's your right, but I think you're wrong.

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William Noll
I don't know Dr. Osterholm's work, but I do know that most of Europe, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand, Canada and many other nations have been far more successful in reducing the number of covid cases and deaths than we have. I know that the purpose to "flattening the curve" was to prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed. And I know that refusing to social distance is just selfish and stupid.
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Mike Rowe
The "goal" is not simply "reducing cases." The goal is to live our lives as best we can with the understanding that a new threat has arisen. We could eliminate all COVID cases by never leaving our homes, just as we could eliminate all accidents by not driving. That's not gonna happen. The goal is drive as safely as possible. So it is with COVID. The goal should be to live our lives as best we can, while taking all reasonable precautions and what we can to not overwhelm hospitals. Obviously, that includes physical distancing.

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Tina Oswald
OMGOSH how much I miss working with you and hearing your articulate, thoughtful and intelligent responses to the issue at hand!! Love this so much!
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Mike Rowe
You know me. Just trying to keep the conversation lively...
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Betty Davis
Thank you for presenting the facts! No one else has presented 'unchanging' facts. Perhaps because given the facts we are intelligent enough to take care of ourselves and each other without government intervention/interference. The one fact people keep forgetting is this is a 'virus' and you can't hide from viruses, they are every where, always have been always will be. Either live life or hide in a bubble forever...YOUR choice.
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Robert Watkins
Long ago I tried to imagine if air travel hadn't been invented until now. Can you imagine someone trying to tell people they could fly through the air but sometimes they would crash. And they want to fly them over where people live. It would never happen.
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Peter Eliot
Just ordered some masks, really appreciate the work your foundation does
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Aaron DePeder
Holy echo chamber in here, Batman. "Oh, Mike!! You're SO wonderful, please let me bask in your glow!"

Smfh, this country has become a cult of personality.
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Angie Scott
I love you Mike Rowe! Your down to earth, practical way of assessment is great! You handle trolls with a deft hand. I believe exactly as you do about this virus and I wish I could convince people to live their lives without all of the fear.
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Danny Evans
We're not averaging 40,000 car fatalities a month, are we?...And those are not contagious (except in a very narrow immediate sense.)

The doc might be right. But this effort hasn't been about eliminating the virus...it's been about not overwhelming fixed and finite resources to keep death and suffering to a minimum, no matter how massive that minimum really is...
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Mike Rowe
No, we're not. But if we were, would you stop driving? Or would you adapt your behavior behind the wheel to increase your odds of survival? My point, is to simply say that we can accept all kinds of bad news, as long we're told the truth and given enough time to adapt. Regarding COVID, we have not been told the truth. Thus, we are chronically paralyzed by the every new case.

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Zach Perkins
Mike, I am a health care worker who is entering the military. You just eloquently explained the position I’ve been trying to put accurate words to for a few months now. Till now I’d settled for “A ship in harbor is safe, but that’s not what ships are for.”
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Lynn Lynn
I love you Mike. But you do realize that we have new information since March 15. And many more deaths.
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Mike Rowe
Bobbi Jordan I can’t think of any new information that contradicts anything the doctor has predicted. Can you? He conservatively estimated 480,000 deaths. We’re nowhere close to that. Nor are we anywhere close to the number of cases he predicted.
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Ellen Guditus
I disagree with you Mike. I don't believe we are living in fear. We are going about work and our business in a safe and cautious manner. I hope you and your crew are taking the same measures. Although, you might not be frightened to contract the virus, you could easily spread to someone else, who might not survive. That would be awful and rather selfish, and I don't believe you're a selfish man.
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Mike Rowe
Ellen - I didn't say we're living in fear - I said we're living in ignorance. If we had all accepted the projections of Osterholm back in March - projections that are being proved out today - we wouldn't be paralyzed by the daily announcements of new cases. In precisely the same way we're not paralyzed by traffic accidents. But we ARE paralyzed, Ellen, because we haven't come to terms with the reality of 160 million likely infections. Thus, we're appalled by every new case. We shouldn't be.

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Chevon Raich
This is one of the best explanations I’ve read so far that express much of what I’ve been thinking and saying. I told my family, friends and co-workers a couple of months ago that I expect I will eventually get COVID, same as most everyone else will.. especially since I work in a nursing home. I have accepted this and though I don’t want to get it, I feel confident I will survive. When people start accepting this too, panic will be less.
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Linde Collingwood
Except your precautionary “getting tested often” is gumming up the system for my patients who are actually sick and can’t get a test result in a timely manner. Theres still a massive testing shortage, so staying home and eliminating the need to get tested often would be a better course of action for our already over taxed health care system.
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Mike Rowe
Laura Taylor - The right to work has nothing to do with the need to work. True, I'm set. But the shoot I just finished in Atlanta employed dozens of people who hadn't worked in four months. The Dirty Jobs shoot also employed a lot more people than me...
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Tracy Power
Thank you, Mike Rowe, for always being the voice of reason. If I ruled the world, the media would be on quarantine until they can report responsibly and truthfully. I’m so sick of their lies and fear-mongering I could just scream. We cannot continue to cower in our homes; we have to live our lives and take sensible precautions to prevent the spread of this virus. Thank you for all you do to keep the world safe and sane. A fan. 💞
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Michele Vecchione Yano
Thank you Mike. Normally I don’t post comments to sites like this, I mean, you have a massive following so why would you remotely care what *I* think? But, in this instance, I wanted to simply say “thank you”. Keep on keepin’ on, kid...your voice of reason has so much value and is so important in this day and age. Well done!
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Randee Spittel-Ramsey
It's great that you have options and get to decide how you wish to live your life but millions of people can't get tested regularly because tests aren't available or.are too costly and are put at high risk by those that refuse to wear masks. For many a prolonged illness that doesn't cause death will likely cause job loss which causes loss of insurance and further financial loss. Until hospitals aren't overwhelmed, and more people are taking basic precautions its the poor who will get sick and either die or face term financial criss. I hope as you are going around living the life you wish you are doing all you can to ensure that everyone else gets that choice and encourage your many followers to do the same.
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Mike Rowe
I believe I'm doing precisely that. The fact is, Randee, we're not all equal. Some are rich, some are poor. Some are old, some are young. Some are obese, some are not. Some are diabetic, some are not. We must all decide for ourselves, if and when the risk of venturing out is worth it, and we can't do that until we understand the reality of the disease. I think Osterholm has been correct from the jump, and I don't think it makes sense to pretend we've all been dealt the same cards. We haven't.

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William C. Eddy
You cite Dr. Mike Osterholm as the logical reason for your travel,yet this public health professional has not followed you out of the house. From a recent article, "Mike Osterholm is taking quarantine as seriously as Minnesota’s most important epidemiologist should. He declines to do interviews in person, and he says he rarely leaves his house—he hasn’t even seen his five grandchildren in person since March 10. (He hates the term “social distancing”—he insists on referring to it as “physical distancing”—meaning he can still be social.)" Your argument, while as always, well-articulated, falls a bit short of being well-reasoned. Citation: https://mspmag.com/arts-and-culture/mike-osterholms-last-stand/
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Mike Rowe
This is a terrific article. Thanks for posting. But I disagree with your assessment of my reasoning. Dr. Osterholm is 67 years old, and in a different risk category than me. He's also a doctor with a very specific agenda. From the article. “I’m just trying to save lives. That’s all I care about.” While I respect the doctor immensely, I don't believe that remaining alive as long as possible is the only point of living. Keeping people alive at any cost might be his job, and his priority, but I care about other things, and I suspect others do, too. For that reason, I have decided to venture out. I'll wager he would respect my decision to do so, just as I respect his. And yours, whatever it may be.

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Mik Sonjohn
Mike, although I agree with most of what you have said I didn't see you acknowledge your privilege in be able to get tested. In many areas of the country you can't get a test without being symptomatic. Unless this changes it becomes harder to slow the spread and negates other prevention efforts. I have already had Covid-19 and been lucky enough to survive although it was touch and go for about a week. Prevention is the best option we have.
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Mike Rowe
Mik isn't wrong. I am indeed, privileged. I'm alive. I walk the earth. I live in a free country, and I am for the most part, healthy and blessed with many good friends. I wish we could all be so fortunate.