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First of all, we would like to confirm that after a further consultation trans drag performers will be invited to perform at Free Pride on the 22nd August. If you are a trans drag performer and would like to perform on the day, please get in touch by sending a message to the Free Pride page.

The trans caucus and Free Pride as a whole thought protecting the privacy of trans drag performers was the most important thing, but trans drag performers have let us know that letting them perform is more important to them. People appeared to understand that we attempted to communicate that trans drag performers' rights are secondary to other trans people's rights. We did not mean to send this message and apologise to trans drag performers for unintentionally doing so. Unfortunately this also appears to have offended trans drag performers. We did not in any way mean to equate cis (who are often seen as transmisogynistic by some portions of the Trans community) drag performers with trans drag performers.

We would like to explicitly state that while we attempt to include everyone, we have always, and will always aim to put the needs and voices of the most marginalised first.

Yesterday at our meeting, representatives from Xpress radio and two Glasgow drag queens attended to discuss our policy on having no drag performers at the Free Pride event, and the resultant reaction on social media. The meeting was productive, and we thank those from outside Free Pride for coming to voice their criticism in a constructive manner. As a result of the meeting we have also decided to make the following statement:

Our event aims to represent those underrepresented in our community, including but not limited to trans and non-binary people, women, People of colour, intersex people, asexual people and people with disabilities. As such we have decided to prioritise the needs of trans women to feel safe and included in our event. Some trans women have expressed unhappiness with cis drag performances since they broadly feel that such performances are more about entertainment (at their expense) than gender expression, in contrast to many Trans and non-binary drag performers.

We understand that many, if not all other venues celebrating pride around Glasgow will have drag performers throughout the day and so we want to provide something different. We understand that drag is multifaceted and complex, and drag acts come from all angles and in a lot of different styles and we certainly do not want to attack individual drag queens or imply that all drag is inherently transphobic or problematic. However our focus for the day will be on creating an alternative that puts minorities within our community at the heart of event.

There has been a huge reaction to our decision on social media in the last few days, which included comments that violated our safer spaces policy. The decision to delete comments was taken to moderate comments that violated our safe space policy, however due to the vast number of comments and the time of night when many of our admins were not available, this proved difficult and comments appeared to be moderated inconsistently. We would like to make it clear than any comments deleted are deleted as a result of violating our safer spaces policy, which we will make clearer in the future. This policy seeks to ensure that no one is discriminatory, abusive or threatening both in our meetings and on our social media platforms so that everyone can participate freely. We would also like to remind people that free pride is organised by people giving up their spare time and that we have no full-time members of staff. You can find our safer spaces policy

https://freeprideglasgow.wordpress.com/2015/07/20/free-pride-safer-space-policy/.

We would like to clarify that the Free Pride like page and twitter account are the only accounts that represent the views of Free Pride. Comments on the personal accounts of people involved in organising Free Pride, only represents their personal opinion. In addition, Free Pride cannot reply to every comment but instead will reply where appropriate, when a reply has been agreed by the group. We hope people can appreciate that we make decisions collectively, and ask for your patience when awaiting a reply.
We want to thank those who have contributed to the discussion constructively and wish everyone a happy pride, wherever you decide to go, on August 22nd.

FREEPRIDEGLASGOW.WORDPRESS.COM

Free Pride Safer space policy

Do not discriminate on the grounds of sexuality, gender, race, ethnicity, ability, class, survivor status, HIV status.• Do not assume anyone's gender or sexuality. • Try to use accessible, non-acad...
Sasha Davies, profile picture
Sasha Davies
There is no such thing as a 'cis-drag' just like there is no such thing as a 'trans-drag', they are by definition, both cisgender & transgender. I am transsexual & I will not fool myself in thinking that 'trans' is exclusively a title for me, I belong to a massive transgender community & DAMN PROUD OF IT TOO!
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Lisa Liberty, profile picture
Lisa Liberty
I am transgender and drag queens do not offend me one bit. In fact I am only offended that you would ban them from the event. Shame on you! Drag queens are people with feelings too!!
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Gary Joe Uribe
Call off the event. Instead use the opportunity to read and acquaint yourselves with our history. If it weren't for the rebellion by drag queens to the oppression by the NYPD we wouldn't be having any pride events. Let's not revise history for the sake of political correctness.
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Lindsay Wheatcroft, profile picture
Lindsay Wheatcroft
When I was questioning, drag queens gave me courage.

When I was isolated and anxious the first time I went to a rainbow bar, it was a drag queen who made me feel welcome.

When U.S. law criminalised LGBT people, it was a drag queen who first lashed out and started a riot.

I've never had any doubt that drag queens are on my side or felt any shame or anxiety in associating with them.

Some of them might have been cis. Some of them might have been trans. I don't ask them to identify - or rather, publicly out themselves - one way or the other.
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Jimmy Gill
So let me understand this. We can have a Trans woman dressed as a gay 'Cis' man in drag or a Trans man dressed as a Cis (usually gay) man (but in drag) and that's OK? We must be on the second chapter of the Free Pride rule book now. Who would have thought a day out could be so complicated
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Carlos Penaranda, profile picture
Carlos Penaranda
It was Drag Queens that started the Stonewall riots in New York that led to the GLBT movement and from that the Pride events. To marginalize this group of people who fought police and were beaten and arrested is HORRIBLE. SHAME ONE YOU FREE PRIDE GLASCOW. So what happens next year when some of the Trans community decide that people in the leather community frighten them and make them feel unsafe? Or maybe lesbians will make them feel unsafe? Will those groups also be banned from performing and participating as members of PRIDE? You are walking down a very slippery slope. I for one would NEVER attend a pride event that is not TRULY ALL INCLUSIVE FREE OR NOT!
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Julian Couper Sanz, profile picture
Julian Couper Sanz
Absolutely beggars belief you will ban non trans performers from your event!!
Drag queens have been the most visible and also the most targeted of the gay community for many years and have bravely made our plight felt over the years, it's an insult to those brave drag queens who suffered verbal and physical abuse, ridicule and persecution to BE PROUD Of who they were!
I for one will NOT be attending now as this is a total kick in the teeth to our drag brothers and sisters.
7 J.Melden
Kai Deguise, profile picture
Kai Deguise
Ironic that Trans Women and (cis) Drag Queens stood together in the Stonewall Riots now you,not some oppressive patriarchy,are forcing them apart. Crazy idea,audition your acts,if they are offensive,dont hire them,simple.
7 J.Melden
Jonathan Gamble, profile picture
Jonathan Gamble
You have to realise how much bad press you are getting from your actions. A simple statement like Glasgow Pride did stating that drag and trans are not the same etc etc would have better handled this situation. Now you have papers, famous drag queens and people of influence picking up on this. They say that there is no such thing as bad press but there really is and it is all directed at Free Pride.
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Louise Riley, profile picture
Louise Riley
No offence but what is trans drag? Is that not just a faux queen or am I missing the point? X
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Misha Michelle Claire, profile picture
Misha Michelle Claire
Ally, I was making a more complex point than that. Some years there have been few gay acts, let alone acts from more marginalised groups. At no point did any of the more marginalized groups try to shut Pride down when they didn't book X performers.

Yet here we have a massive group of cis people trying to shut down a grassroots event.
All this organisation did was decide against booking drag acts to perform. Perform. Not attend. Perform.

There is no dress code banning anything.

In fact since the whole thing started they are now inviting trans drag acts to perform.
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Riicchh Mcd, profile picture
Riicchh Mcd
It is right that drag is banned from this event. As amazing as drag is, when you mock and satirise gender, you immediately create an unsafe space for those who are questioning or have a less rigid gender than us cis people (which allows us to mock and satirise gender which such aplomb). Drag is everywhere, making this event drag-free means that the event is truly inclusive to the most marginalised members of our community. There will be drag everywhere, chill the fuck out and LISTEN.
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Tony Boring, profile picture
Tony Boring
Pathetic. Thank god pride here in Chicago is inclusive of everyone. Your pathetic bigotry towards members of our community is worthy of Westboro Baptist.

And as I'm sure you've already been reminded, those Drag Queens you're so desperate to exclude were the ones that got the rest of us off our closeted asses in the first place.

So screw your Free "Shame" event. The rest of us will be with ones we love, whether they're in feather boas and heels or denim and sneakers.
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Chris Ar, profile picture
Chris Ar
"People appeared to understand that we attempted to communicate that trans drag performers' rights are secondary to other trans people's rights. " .... Huh? You are all just terrible people.
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Kay Foulkes, profile picture
Kay Foulkes
The first line of your safer spaces policy is " Do not discriminate on the grounds of sexuality, gender, race, ethnicity, ability, class, survivor status, HIV status."

By allowing transgender drag performers but not cisgender performers you are in violation of your own safer spaces policy... this is why people will not take you seriously.
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Randy Jones, profile picture
Randy Jones
You have got to be kidding me with this...
How quickly we forget our own history. Trans performers being offended by cis-drag performers? Are you high?! Isn't drag, in and of itself, an art of creating the illusion? Have some trans people forgotten their gay history? It was the drag queens who fought the police the hardest at Stonewall. Had it not been for their efforts, life would be very different for LGBT people. Don't bite the hands that fed you, don't forget history, and put on your big girl panties by growing thicker skin for fuck sake.
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David Tin Tin Morgan, profile picture
David Tin Tin Morgan
If the event is supposed to be inclusive of the entire community, why is it only a (select) group from the Trans community that get to decide who is permitted to perform? Yes, their voice should be heard and considered, but so should the voices of the rest of the community.
The event is now so far removed from the supposed original cause.
The organisers clearly want this event to be a Trans specific event, which would be fine if they marketed it as such. They should get some guidance from the organisers of Sparkle, who actually know how to put on such an event, and can work WITH Manchester Pride.
7 J.Melden
Mark O'Ceallaigh, profile picture
Mark O'Ceallaigh
Absolutely disgusting. This is discrimination. Not all drag performers who are cis are straight, there are a lot of homosexual cis drag performers and to stop them from performing at your event is discrimination against members of the community you claim to advocate for. I sincerely hope everyone else realises and boycotts your event.
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Johnny Horstman, profile picture
Johnny Horstman
Drag is kind of a critical part of gay culture though
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Jo Reid, profile picture
Jo Reid
I dont understand what the issue is? From what I see Free Pride is simply supporting the views of the non-binary and trans participants who have asked that drag acts then not be preformed. After suffering a torrent of abuse they have re-evaluated and listened to the criticism while still putting the most vulnerable members of our community first. I think some of the comments here are ridiculous and seem to be a knee-jerk reaction of people seeing trans ad non-binary people's voices being put first. Cross dressing and cis Drag is not being excluded by participants its just to going to be the focus of the event through performers, the focus instead is going to be the more commonly ignored members of the community, which has been said in the mission statement!!!
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Ben Goldstein, profile picture
Ben Goldstein
Thank you for clarification. I've been following the controversy a bit, and you seem like a group that is focused on progressive inclusive values, so it was like ice cold water in my 66yr old queer pwa face to see that you dont include 'age' among the things we should not discriminate against.

Perhaps it was an oversight?

As for the rest, I understand the discomfort with drag by some - drag usually seems at least a bit misogynist to me, it relies upon stereotypes and characterizations largely created and enforced by patriarchy and male chauvinism, and I think that odious culture in fact is what it is based upon, which might explain why there is such a prevalence of m2f drag and not f2m.
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Annmarie Kelly
Joke, stop tearing the community apart, get ur facts rights, learn ur history and maybe work in gay community. I did for 5 years with all of lgbtqia community. If u leave one group out in favour of another that's discrimination.
7 J.Melden
Lisa Ball, profile picture
Lisa Ball
I was actually going to attend this, I think the charging for pride isn't what pride is about. was looking forward to free pride, thinking it would have been a viable alternative for people not able/willing to pay for the main pride event. But excluding drag queens? Unless they are trans is ridiculous.That also is not what pride is about. Free pride seems very disorganised and doesn't know what it stands for or who. Maybe you should organise more and had this all sorted before it became what it has now. Maybe not being Trans I do not understand how one would be affected by a drag queen. Both are members of the community. its a shame because this could have had a lot of promise and I was looking forward to going to free pride.
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Andi Leipst, profile picture
Andi Leipst
So more discrimination and segregation in an already small minority community. Is that really the way to geta supportive message across?
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Ramona Djebali, profile picture
Ramona Djebali
Then again. .. change the logo were we talked about yesterday in the meeting. Its not a free pride for everyone but for a little select group which is fine but change your logo and don't say it's for the whole LGBTQIA+ community. I thought we were talking to some People with brains. .. but yet again it proves otherwise. ..as we said yesterday this is the road to destruction for yourself and for the people you represent.
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Fin Thomas
These past few days have been so deflating, having to see so much misinformation and hate being spewed in the comments section. Obviously that is down to the individuals posting it, but Free Pride have done so little to deal with it. Trying to remove certain comments from the the thread is one thing, but how can you expect people to treat or speak of trans people any differently when you do very little to explain why their words or actions are problematic. So many of these commenters don't understand terminology like 'cis' and 'non binary' to begin with so it is hardly the best way to start a respectful dialogue. I'm also pretty concerned that as an organisation that wants to represent trans people, you doesn't even understand that non binary people are trans too. You're just adding to the confusion. I have noticed that today you chose not to say "trans and non binary" for the first time. I'm not sure if that was intentional or not.
Granted I'm not MTF or anywhere near that side of the spectrum, but I'm really so disappointed with your decision. It is not that I don't see a shred of logic behind what you're doing, but it is really so far off the mark that it is sadly quite comical. A well meaning group of motivated people that seem to be extremely relevant in their beliefs ending up portraying the exact image that us trans people are trying to distance ourselves from. Through bending over backwards in an attempt of accommodating trans people, you've temporarily damaged our cause. I'm too tired of this shit to be angry anymore. Any sense of hopefulness you gave to me over this past month is well and truly gone.
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Tim McCall, profile picture
Tim McCall
Discrimination: differential treatment based on social group or status.

A blanket ban saying "cisgender gay people cannot perform at this event" when the event is aimed toward some of those individuals is the equivalent of saying "transgender people cannot perform at this event."

It is not discriminatory to ban specific content from an event. It is discriminatory to ban an entire group based on their group membership. For example, pride events often ban anti-gay speakers from "performing" at an event, but you will notice many performers are straight.

I have tried to remain quiet about this, since I am cisgender and may appear biased, but I am being consistent based on the definition of discrimination. You can ban content. You cannot ban an entire gender identity.

I understand the sentiment behind Free Pride's decision, but I also believe it is inconsistent with the message of the LGBT rights movement. I also understand some trans people consider certain performers to be misogynistic -- I agree. Ban them. But a blanket ban? That's discriminatory. It's not discrimination in the legal sense of the word (unless the performers are being paid) but it is discriminatory.

I believe in safe spaces. I don't think that means we should ever cut off communication with the majority group. Free Pride says they want to put the rights of the most marginalized first -- this is a terrible precedent. As a gay man, I don't think my rights should come before a straight man's. But I do think rights should be applied CONSISTENTLY.

There are some trans people who (clearly) may disagree with me, but I am applying the same consistent logic I've applied all other times for rights issues.
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James Callaghan, profile picture
James Callaghan
This is going down in UK LGBT history! And not in a good way. You're witnessing the birth of a cautionary tale here, folks.

Icarus comes to mind.
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Jeremy Hoad, profile picture
Jeremy Hoad
Let's see.

1
If anyone posts anything you disagree with you will delete their comment under the guise of your "safe space" policy which you are blatantly breaching by discriminating against people at your event.

2
It is a point of principle under the "safe space" policy that the drag act policy excludes all drag acts as it would be oppressive to insist Trans drag acts be forced to reveal their gender identity.

Until it doesn't. Which seems to be now.

3
Your respect for everyone regardless of their gender identity is all inclusive and welcoming.

Unless you want to discriminate against "cisgendered" drag acts by discriminating against, censoring and banning those people from your event.

Question:

Is this really a Pride event or simply an event organised by a group of bitter trans and non-binary people who want the power to enforce their hatred of others under the guise of a Pride event?

If the Free Pride organisers do include a wider membership then where are the voices of people who genuinely want to be inclusive and welcoming of everyone who wishes to celebrate with friends, colleagues and allies regardless of their gender identity, sexuality, appearance, age, race, height, weight, religion, hair colour or any other personal characteristic?

I suggest the organisers of this event read about some of the terms and definitions they are so happy to throw around. Read about the history of oppression, hatred, marginalisation and persecution.

Talk to more than a handful of intolerant extremists if you're planning a a Pride event.

You never know. You might learn something and stop making fools of yourselves so publicly.
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Simone Moss, profile picture
Simone Moss
A lot of trans women have come through the drag world. I can count three of my friends in NYC who have close ties to the drag community. Some of which the drag community helped them through there transitions.

I understand the need to separatist spaces and I'm always down to question the roles in which we play. But now to back track and start the policing of who and who isn't trans to be a drag queen is kinda mad lol... at an inclusive pride event... It would be interesting to know who is making these decisions,

...But high five at trying to do make something happen in this shit hole world....getting this discussion happening!
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