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I've just been doing the palehorse accounts for the tour and realising how much we're in the red. So this resonates.
http://therunout.com/post/88686417571/slacktivist-fan-entitlement-is-slowly-killing-punk

I've been mulling this over because the debt we're in is basically just for merch and doesn't include practices, gear and travel/fuel.

Our approximate costs per year are as follows:

Practices: £2,200
Storage: £1,440
Equipment: £1,000
Travel to London gigs: £1,650
Travel to out of London gigs: £3,300
Annual Total: £8,652*

Bear in mind it takes us about three years to write and record and album and that recording costs us about £2,000 that means a three year album cycle costs us approximately £27,956. That's just shy of £5,600 each.

We do usually break even on London shows (where we ask for a guarantee of the £110 the van from the studio costs) and often do on out of London shows as well so but we turn down an awful lot of shows on the basis that they won't pay us enough to break even (which is all we ask for).

On the next tour we will be selling all four albums and a shirt for a bundle price of £25 and I'm sweating making back the £1500 we've put in to getting shirts printed and buying CDs from the labels who put them out (two of which are one-man operations who have also lost a ton of money on us in the past)!

So in order to make back the £1500 we have to sell 60 bundles (and we only have about 50 of each of the records anyway). In order to make back the total spent over three years (and taking into account the extra money we'd have to spend to buy the mercy we'd be selling) we'd need to sell 1,119 bundles. At the price we buy the CDs from our labels and the shirts from Awesome Merch we'd have to spend and additional £16,038 just to do that so then you need to find the point where the bundle price matches the total spend. It's a lot more than the number of people who have ever bought one of our records!

That's al to say, buy some CDs, yeah? We don't really consider the costs when we do this because we do it for the love of it but it's nice when people chuck us a little bit back for the sake of appreciation.

*(assuming about 25-30 practices a year, 15 London gigs and 15 out of town gigs).

THERUNOUT.COM

Slacktivist Fan Entitlement Is Slowly Killing Punk

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Cristina Ferreira
In my modest and very uninformed opinion, kids (and adults, for all that matter) that are unwilling to pay £10 for a CD, a band T-shirt or a ticket for a gig (that will most likely allow them to see a couple more bands that they might come to like), but very readily hand out £3 for a coffee at Starbucks, £6 for a pint or £10 just to get in(!) on a club night, need to get a fucking grip! A pint of beer might give as much satisfaction as listening to a long-waited album, but it sure as hell will not last as long. If you still prefer the pint on that scenario, that's perfectly fine, but please refrain from complaining about the price of quite cheap (when compared with other consumable goods) CDs and tickets! (Sorry about the rant. This is a personal pet peeve of mine.)
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Åñdrêw Ëllïõṫṫ
plonk a bundle up online and I'll buy one
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Palehorse
We will do once we're back off tour!
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Åñdrêw Ëllïõṫṫ
i'd be happy to pay more than 25 for the bundle if it'll help.
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Chantal Brown
It is hard - and it is shit - but for the love of music - we'll never stop doing it… (But yes, I'm broke as anything, and still find the money for VODUN, and pray to God someone buy's a T-shirt!)
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Jordan Dowling
sorry if im missing something but why do you have to pay nearly £100 every time you practice? is it a london thing or do you do mammoth sessions?
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Palehorse
We hold a 7.5 hour session every two weeks rather than shorter practices more often.
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Palehorse
Hi David, we'll chuck it up on our bandcamp once we're back off tour. If you're not bothered about physical CDs then the first three records up up for download anyway which would just leave a shirt and new album to get. I think that might work out cheaper (although the bundle is basically a break even deal for us so possibly not!).
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Damon McCartney
where do you guys practice in LDN? I need to find that happy medium!
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Drew Vernon
100% agree and resonate with all of this. It's fucking depressing, but hey... what can you do... just get drunk (not for free in London mind you!)
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Palehorse
Bush studios in Shepherds Bush, Damon.
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Drew Vernon
Fucksake, I shouldn't have read that DiS link.

One douche says: "Write something incredible or STFU, dickheads."

How about you get off your fat arse and write your own INCREDIBLE MUSIC... twathead!!
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