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I don’t scare easily, especially on Halloween. But I swear, every time I narrate another episode of How the Universe Works, I become more and more certain that my pals at Science Channel are trying to give me a heart attack. Check out these lines from a pending episode I just read called “The Worst Places in the Universe.”

Over the years, I’ve learned many interesting things narrating this program, including the absolute certainty of my own demise at the hands of a cold and indifferent cosmos. The only uncertainty seems to revolve around the exact method of my annihilation. A super massive black hole? A collision of two Neutron stars? A supernova? A comet? An asteroid? Gamma rays? Today I learned about "strangelets," a new kind of horror that can "zombify" matter, and deadly strings the width of a proton, ten miles long, that weigh more than Earth. It's an endless parade of horribles, and today’s episode was another reminder that no one is getting out of this alive.

And yet – the show is oddly comforting as well. What we’ve learned about the Universe over the last twenty years is both staggering and humbling. And what I’ve learned narrating this program has made me feel much smarter than I really am. On the other hand, it’s also convinced me that I don’t know my ass from a hot rock.

Last week for instance, I learned that we’ve discovered another planet in our solar system, much bigger than Earth, orbiting around somewhere beyond Pluto. (Pluto, as I’m sure you’ve heard, lost its planetary status some time ago, when it was determined to be much smaller than many thousands of other asteroids flying around the Kuiper Belt. Awkward.) Anyway, this “new” planet has been in our own backyard for billions of years. It’s HUGE. And we’ve just discovered it.

Last month, I was asked to re-record a passage I had read the week before, which referenced the total number of galaxies in the cosmos. I had originally read that there were “100 billion galaxies in the universe.” Turns out, the number is closer to 2 trillion. http://theatln.tc/2dCKe9R In a week, another 2,000 billion galaxies turned up. Oops.

This weekend, in a bar called Grumpy’s, I listened as two professors from Berkeley discussed with great passion the inevitable consequences of ignoring climate change. When I was invited to share my opinion, I shrugged and said, “Beats me, fellas. Last week the smartest people on the planet thought there were 100 billion galaxies in the universe. They were off by a couple trillion. I’m not really sure what’s in store for planet earth.”

I was surprised by their response. One frowned real hard, and stared into his beer. The other asked if I was some kind of “Climate Denier.”

“Not at all,” I said. “Any fool can see there’s a climate.”

“You know what I mean,” he said. “Are you skeptical of the fact than man is destroying the planet by heating it up to an unnatural degree?”

“I’m skeptical of most things,” I said. “But who cares what I think? I’m just a narrator. You guys are the actual scientists, right?”

“We are,” said the one staring at his beer.

“Well then, tell me this. Isn’t skepticism at the very heart of scientific inquiry?”

“It is.”

“Then how come people who question the claims around global warming are called “Deniers?”

“Because Global Warming is real, and man is causing it. And our planet is in terrible trouble.”

Then the other one chimed in with this. “Right now, this planet is one of the worst places to be in the universe.”

I nodded. “I’m sure you’re right,” I said. “But if it turns out you’re not, and you need someone to walk it back for you – give me a call. I’m in the booth all the time.”

I’m not sure they got it.
Anyway, Boo.

Mike
PS. I’ll let you know when the new season starts. It’s a good one.

David Pyrus, profile picture
David Pyrus
Somebody else may have mentioned this already but, just in case, we have NOT discovered another planet larger than earth beyond Pluto. There are mathematical models that suggest that there may be another planet larger than earth beyond Pluto. BIG difference!
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Mike Rowe, profile picture
Mike Rowe
Pyrus - If mathematical models are insufficient proof, what other assumptions about the cosmos - now taken by many as dogma - are in fact nothing more than theory?
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Ryan Hodges, profile picture
Ryan Hodges
If I were Rebecca, I would have crafted the argument a little differently. I wouldn't have called for your termination or called you names. However, I would have explored the fact that narrating a science show gives you a sense of credibility as viewed by those that don't know any better. If they come across your thoughts on climate change, they may not give your view point the skepticism it deserves. Now onto your viewpoint.... You claim that because scientists miscalculated the number of stars in the universe, that you should therefore be skeptical of the science behind global warming or take the position that you don't know what's going to happen to planet Earth.. You see, when scientists had a theory as to the number of stars in the universe, they didn't take the position of "we don't really know; we could be wrong." Instead they used the models they had because that was the best information they had at the time. A climate denier is called a denier because instead of basing one's skepticism on good evidence, one simply denies the evidence in support of global warming and takes the position that "we don't really know what's going to happen because scientists have been wrong before." Do you see the flaw in your reasoning? If you're skeptical of the science supporting global warming, explain your reasons. Show us the counter-evidence.
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Jim Barrow
It's amazing to me that some people think catastrophic times are before us when they've only walked this earth a few dozen years. This earth is some 13.5 billion years in the making and somehow we have experts making claim that we are destroying our planet. Hogwash!!! We have a good idea of our planets past through core samples and it shows periods of severe heat and severe cold which is a normal part of this planets cycle of life. For these people running around screaming 'wolf', it's getting old. I'm thrilled that we now have eyes in the outer reaches of the universe because it proves there is life beyond our own planet. We are sooooo small LOLOLOL.
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Doda Guyer, profile picture
Doda Guyer
It amazes me how such naysayers can consciously say that planet Earth is the worst place to be right now. Lighten up guys. Look around you and take in the beauty of our planet and our Universe. If, when and ever our home meets its demise, we will be far from here, flung with God, his Angels and the stars.
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William Douglas Stone, profile picture
William Douglas Stone
Interesting discussion. Much like the Theology versus Science discussion. I'm more of an Occam's Razor advocate when it comes to these deep dives. Yes, the Earth is located in the Goldilocks Zone and yes, it's Obliquity at 23.5 Degrees is probably not a coincidence because at a different axis, evolution would have been much different. As for Darwinism, I would agree that intelligent design is probably a richer argument than modern Homo sapiens evolving from apes in less than a million years. So...to the topic at hand, is our pending doom the result of natural, astrological occurrences or...is there a Divine plan? I'm of the opinion that both are in play...we were put here for a reason...Earth is in perhaps the safest corner of our galaxy...maybe to give us time to develop the technology required for interstellar travel- therefore, when it's time for us to go (to avoid a global catastrophe), we'll be able to...like those before us. For some more mind blowing information, read the research on Topology and Chaos Theory.
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Keith Hendricks, profile picture
Keith Hendricks
It's rather comical to hear, as you said, one of the smartest people on the planet refer to Earth as one of the worst places to be in the universe, especially considering it is the only place in the universe known to be habitable to any life, much less humans.

If it really is that bad here, I would kindly invite him to take up residence literally anywhere else in the universe and report back on the accuracy of his hypothesis.
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Xavier Tufty, profile picture
Xavier Tufty
This exchange is proof positive that logic and science are not always found in the same place.

But when logic is exercised it is perhaps the most elegant of mental processes: "Isn't skepticism at the very heart of scientific inquiry?"
"It is"
"Then how come people who question...be called deniers?"

I continue to believe the intelligence of a person is found in the questions he or she asks and not in the answers they parrot.

I also believe that when asking a question becomes forbidden, we enter the realm of dogma. Dogma leads to a thoughtless people.
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Micki McAboy, profile picture
Micki McAboy
And yet YHWH never mentions making plants or universes when He created the Earth, sun, moon or stars, or did I miss that in my reading?
I just need PROOF the Earth is in fact a globe like men claim. Because if they aren't lying, God did.
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Theresa Weaver, profile picture
Theresa Weaver
Some of my favorite theories in the Universe are about how our Universe is just one in an infinite amount of Universes clustered together in some sort of primordial multiverse. Then there are the theories about parallel universes and differing dimensions. Our universe and dimension are beyond words, but to consider the theories of what lies beyond is even more mind boggling.

I have read evidence and believe that there is a large probability that Climate Change is happening. I have my doubts about it being created by people, but I don't think we're helping the situation any. Granted, if two professors asked me about it, my response might be like yours. "Gee, I was standing the grocery store yesterday trying to choose between Cinnamon Life and Frosted Mini Wheats.... and you want me to choose whether or not Global Warming is happening?" It would be fun just to mess with them.
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Susan Harris, profile picture
Susan Harris
The study of the universe is awsome! God is awesome! Our every day problems seem petty in comparison. As for global warming, does it matter whether it is man made? The planet is warming and we do need to do everything we can to prevent it. It is devasting to many forms of life.
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Peter Bradford, profile picture
Peter Bradford
Reminds me of the time two scientists were drinking at a bar and one mentioned that the Sun was likely to explode and swallow the Earth in about 2 billion years. A nearby patron rushed over and said "How many years before the Sun explodes?" "Two billion" replied one of the scientists. "Oh, thank God" said the man "I thought you said 2 MILLION!"
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Brian David, profile picture
Brian David
Did one of them actually say, "Right now, this planet is one of the worst places to be in the universe"? That makes no sense. There's no other planets that we know of that are habitabless for humans. As bad as the effects of climate change could be in a hundred years or so, only a minority of climate scientists are predicting runaway global warming. The majority of scientists certaonly don't expect our planet to become as uninhabitably hot as Venus. There's talk of terraforming & settling Mars, but if we develop the geoengineering technology to accomplish that we should be able to fix earth's climate as well.
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Dan Kruse, profile picture
Dan Kruse
If climate change is real, and I'm not saying it's not, then why did we have glaciers sliding across earth at one time and why did they melt when man clearly had nothing to do with it. Could it be that earth is just warming and there is nothing we can do about it?
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Laura Farkas
Just saw a documentary that said 65 million years ago there were 5 times the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere than there are now. Pretty sure humans had nothing to do with it. The earth has warmed and cooled many many times. It happens naturally, and we are arrogant in our belief that we can control it. Yes, we should do what we can to reduce our impact on the planet, but should also humble ourselves with the admission of the insignificance of the part we play in the universe.
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Matthew McMahon, profile picture
Matthew McMahon
"Right now, this planet is one of the worst places to be in the universe". Mike, if you didn't vouch for it, I'd have a really hard time believing that a competent scientist had said that (I have a doctorate in physics). Outside of a spacecraft, which perhaps represents the pinnacle of human technological achievement in extraterrestrial life support, this planet is the *only* place to be in the universe, so far as we know, which was of course your point.
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Robert L Blowers, profile picture
Robert L Blowers
Mike Rowe, sounds like you were talking to my son... brilliant physicist, but hyper-critical of opposing views. I think he gets that from me (I'm honest though), the physics part? No clue. I was happy he was learning a trade as a carpenter when he suddenly changed directions and went to college to major in Physics.
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Steve Inman, profile picture
Steve Inman
And the last I heard they had only seen hints of this new "Planet 9" based on gravitational influence on other things. But they haven't actually seen it yet. Yet they're completely confident it's there. What are the odds you'll find yourself in the booth again on that one? In the spirit of scientific enquiry, I wonder what the influence of government grant money is on the amount of healthy skepticism a climate scientist is allowed to have ....
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Rome Awde
It wasn't -20 and a foot of snow for Halloween this year! Thank Christ for global warming! Keep it up folks and maybe, just maybe, in my lifetime I might be able to go a whole winter without fucking -20! Doubtful though.
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Robert Strankman, profile picture
Robert Strankman
I am not an environmentalist at all. I couldn't care less about polar bears. Nature has survived countless changes in its multi-billion year history. Species that can't adapt die, species that can adapt become new species. What I care about is human civilization. Human civilization -not the species, the culture- depends on the climate staying exactly as it is. If we are contributing to a rise in global temperatures, maybe we should try to not do that. If we aren't, maybe we should ease off for a bit while we figure out what is causing it. Nature might not care if sea levels rise 60 feet, the cities whose commercial centers are at 25 feet and the hundreds of millions of people who depend on those economic centers for their livelihood sure do.
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Keith Tauscher, profile picture
Keith Tauscher
Mike Rowe, I usually agree with your writing and think it shows lucid thinking and clear logic. But, the 2 trillion galaxies number changing is just science working and trying to state otherwise is to misunderstand the point of science. 100 billion was our best estimate then, 2 trillion is our best estimate now (and, importantly, our uncertainty in this number is quantified!).

Our most reliable idea of the future of the earth includes temperature rises at rates higher than seen before in Earth's history. While it is true that we don't know what tomorrow's best idea will be, we have to use the best current ideas to inform our decisions. It's not enough to effectively say that "scientists were wrong before and they'll be wrong again!" since they'll often be the first ones to tell you this.
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Danny Maiorani, profile picture
Danny Maiorani
To people who don't read up when scientists say things, this all looks like them flip flopping or being wrong. It's not, it's discoveries of new phenomena or understanding new process discoveries.

It's really easy for average folk to understand things like, we can count rings in trees and then see years of draught by thinner rings.

It gets harder to explain how we KNOW certain particles in our atmosphere reflect sun, or store heat, or how we know what the atmosphere was like 10,000 years ago by taking core samples of artic or antarctic ice and counting the years through layers in the core samples.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm advocating for any given side to this arguement, but there ARE temperature and barometric readings dating back over a thousand years thanks to Japanese and Chinese culture among others.

And in fact it's accurate enough that they've done things like talked to American Native Indians and Eskimos about when say, Mount Ranier in Washington was surmised to have erupted in the 1400s or something. Then gone to look at barometric atmospheric readings around that time from Asian cultures and verified the time line.

So, again I'm not saying either way which direction to go, but I AM saying it's based partially on their understanding of science.

To refute this part of science when many of the tests and procedures are also applicable to other parts like medicine, technology, space exploration, and such seems kind of silly.

At the same time when we think we know what's up we find out the Earth is resilient and mangrove forests are storing tons of carbon. So who knows.
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Vincent E. Savarese, profile picture
Vincent E. Savarese
Does what humans create really affect the planet ? Probably, but likely to a very small degree (pun intended). I've just watched Werner Herzog's new doc "Into the Inferno" on Netflix. To think that mankind could ever affect the planet so drastically, in comparison with the forces of nature, including volcanoes, seems to be the height of arrogance.
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Craig Lofgren, profile picture
Craig Lofgren
Mike Rowe how does he know that this planet is the worse in the universe? There are other planets that are much hotter than earth and have no air at all. That in my book would make them worse. Also, haven't we had global warming since.....I don't know....the end of the ice age????
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Ken Davis, profile picture
Ken Davis
Since earth is the only planet that will support life, I seriously doubt "it is one of the worst places to be in the universe."

When smart people say such ignorant things, it just shows that their views are ideologies and not conclusions based on science.
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Anthony Ethridge, profile picture
Anthony Ethridge
Really overstated comment aside, if the majority of people who are smarter than me and who's job it is to look into things like that say there's a problem, I would probably want to take notice. If they are wrong they'll find out. That's how science works.
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Charles Perry, profile picture
Charles Perry
Mike next time you're sat next to a couple of like minded individuals point out to them 3 uncontested scientific facts - not contested by ANYONE from either side of this scam.

1/. 93% of all CO2 in the biosphere is in the oceans. Only about 3% is in the air and of that about .03% is man made.

2/. Cold oceans hold more CO2 in solution than warm oceans.

3/. They have known for over 15 years that temperature variation PRECEDES CO2 aviation by 800-1000yrs.

This makes perfect sense - it's why sea breezes last into the night - the adjacent sea warms more slowly than the land and cools more slowly. The temperature difference between land and sea is what drives the sea/land breeze.

Now let's have a little thought experiment.

Millions of years ago the atmosphere held around 4000ppm CO2.

Why didn't earth become a lifeless rock back then instead of what actually was the case - that mega flora was so abundant the dinosaurs flourished without eating themselves into extinction in short order? If CO2 drives temperature there is no way back from 4000ppm...no ice age down the road a few million years - nada!

Now if, as we know, temperature variation precedes CO2 variation by 800-1000yrs with the oceans breathing in and out CO2 as their temperatures vary it all starts to make sense.

What warms or cools the oceans - well look up if it's daytime where you're at.

Solar Physicists have correlated sun spots to climate variation to about 75%...as opposed to 35%ish for CO2.

The Dalton and Maunder minimums correlate exactly with the coldest periods in modern European history - the little ice age and the winter that destroyed The Grande Armee in Russian in the early 1800s.

Physics 101 tells us the sun warms the earth's surface and the earth then warms the near atmosphere. It's not the other way around. Temperature lapses at approx -2c/1000' as you ascend. That slice of the atmosphere where I work is around -56 degrees C. It doesn't vary much.

Why has this scam lasted so long?

Love your work!!
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Rick Higginson, profile picture
Rick Higginson
They think this is one of the worst places to be in the Universe? Holy cow, this isn't even the worst place to be in our own little solar system! Venus is surrounded by burning hot, acidic atmosphere! Mercury has NO atmosphere and is even more thermally unfriendly. Mars has pitifully little atmosphere, and, if I recall correctly, no Van Allen Belts to protect against solar radiation. Jupiter, Neptune, and Uranus are gas giants, with sufficient gravity to produce crushing pressures long before reaching whatever solid surface may be hiding beneath the vast atmospheres.

Compared to just what we can scientifically determine here in our own tiny corner of the Milky Way, Earth is paradise, which is why, regardless of what we might think of "human caused climate change," we need to take care of this precious ball of rock floating in the cosmos.
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Greg Ledet, profile picture
Greg Ledet
You are but one man out of over 7 billion people on one of 8 planets. Those 8 planets are a part of one star system in a galaxy of 200 billion star systems, in a universe of over 2 trillion galaxies. The reason the Cosmos seems so cold and indifferent is because in the grand scheme of things, we are all incredibly insignificant.
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Eric Lusk, profile picture
Eric Lusk
The problem with scientific facts is that we live in an infinite universe. Our knowledge of that universe is based on what we can observe, and every day, we discover more about the universe we live in. Given that we can't even comprehend infinite, much less observe all of it, our knowledge is just an ever-fluctuating mix of theories based on what we saw most recently. To call these theories facts is to completely undermine scientific research; after all, if we "know" so much, why are we still exploring?
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